Pauline, I imagine that you can't research Model 21s through the name of the customer. Any information before the 1990s is always difficult to verify. He's not a dealer, but does buy and sell guns. Well it happened, and it was the M12. Very nicely preserved and properly authenticated Model 12s with the correct markings can often to the right buyers. I also have a near mint 1952 Model 42 410 ga with the factory skeet rib.
The forearm appears to be the 14 groove second style. Should I clean it good and head to the range to try it out? Since the gun was in production by Winchester as late as 2006, there is no concern anytime soon that the millions of these vintage scatterguns will be unsupportable anytime soon. I guess someone will have to dig up the 1968 Control Act to find that out? Matching serial numbers are relatively easy to make, well within the capabilities of Simmons, and proof marks are easy to add to the barrel after the rib was installed. These values assume you have between 60%-90% original finish on your shotgun. They are both upper left side almost top of the barrel by the receiver. He told me of a few times that he went Duck and Goose hunting with a buddy on the east side of Galveston bay and in the shallow lakes south of Baytown and in the Anahuac area of Texas. I am continually trying to learn and not be mistaken in my knowledge of understanding what is correct.
Adobe Reader is available free from Adobe. I plan to shoot it at the local trap and skeet club. Those guns were used for Duck hunting and Trap shooting. The stocks were American walnut. Book says although over 2 million were made the attrition rate is over 33% from hard use and getting lost.
When looking for a factory gun look for no name on side of rib, thinner rib and offset proof mark. I may just be totally ignorant of facts. Only way it could have been better is if Clyde Barrow would have driven by in a Model A. . However, are you able to research special order guns that are not engraved or Custom Grade or Deluxe Grade guns? The rest of the story from previous post: My new, 77-year-old, Winchester Model 12 is relaxing here in its cheap Dosko plastic gun case. I'd snap up a nice 20ga M12 in a hurry! Otherwise I seem to have a situation where the whole gun is sent out to a gun smith Simmons? Winchester Model 12 manufacturer markings on barrel. No attempt has been made to determine the value of any Winchester products.
Consider upgrading your membership for less than a box of bullets! So where do the guns returned to Winchester, for barrel or caliber change and refinishing, fit in? Nice gift from your Dad, keep it as long as he is alive. What is assumed due to production costs all the prior Winchester vent ribs ceased production in 1960. A few observations on closer inspection: 1 There are no barrel dates visible without disassembly on the underside of any of the barrels. I've never paid any attention to the off shore Model 12 reproductions; maybe it's one one of these with their own serial numbering. It has 3 barrels all serials match the receiver. Unfortunately, the Model 1200, isn't one of them. Also if someone ordered an extra barrel from the winchester dealer, did winchester put a serial number on the barrel.
It's not in the usual place and there are no signs of filing. Friend's father had an old Model 12, 16 ga. First, the Blue Book is worthless! Come for the info, stay and make some friends. The Simmons version did not have the offset proof mark. We reserve the right to make changes at any time and make no claims as to accuracy.
I guess I need to do research and reference page numbers, book, and author to verify my assumption. Have to disagree about the Blue Book, though. Beautiful wood will post pictures tonight! They needed a little more thickness so Simmons could put their name on the side. A few questions or points of emphasis are in bold. Hello hamburger and everyone else: Well first off as Moderator, I'll remind everyone, the forum is a place to exchange information, what we've learned, from personal experiences, to what has been written and published, from original factory literature, to various authors.
I think that would make it at least 65 years old. And, he never went Duck hunting again. The Model 1100 and the Mauser. The barrels were proof marked at the factory on the top but the rib covered it up. In addition, the location of the proof is noticeably different than on barrels 1 and 3, not to mention it is double proofed once poorly and once acceptably but not as strong as on 1 and 3.
It still brings me to tears thinking about it. I read in one of the model 12 books that these hade to be special ordered. It could also be a manufacturing error. I don't see many nice used M12s period these days and if they're in good shape, they start at around 650 bucks. No slugs in that full choke barrel.
Took it out in the bush same day and put 10 shells through it. Winchester found itself rapidly losing market share to the more modern designs. Mr Pardee's letter stated the 1968 Gun Control Act required a letter prefix. But perhaps these pages can help you somewhat in your research. My personal collection has originals, customized including factory engraved and aftermarket engraved. Also, the barrel stamping changed from time to time so your stamp should give you a range. Ejected hulls kicked out of the side port to the right of the gun.